"i think crowded house were trying so hard to be the beatles"
ended up raging into a debate over "what is pop?" and spilled over into everything more or less, covering socialism, quantum physics, linguistics, and dogs. featuring; rants, yelling, gesticulation, shit-stirring (that was me), and pointless pontificating. all of this took four hours.
seriously, don't ask.
however, the summarised points and final conclusion look something like this;-
everything is a continuum
pop (music) is a continuum
pop music is everything.
yes, we are idiots.